Covid

[Mr Jinx]

Lots of common sense stuff here which has been forgotten about over the course of the pandemic.

Really you can sum the whole thing up by saying government have no control over a natural phenomenon.

The politicalisation of a virus, the tiresome obsession with 'safety' and subsequent nannying of the population in order to be seen doing something was futile and incredibly damaging in all sorts of ways.

When we look back I hope we realise that targeted protection was the way to do it. It's basically what ended up happening anyway. Restrictions over this last Xmas period were pointless. As was delaying freedom Day from June to July last year. Once the vast majority of elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated what last April, it should've been left to rip through from May onwards.

The doomsday science coupled with continued mass testing left the country paralysed for a further 9 months.

I'm just pleased and somewhat proud we'll be the first country to see the back of all this loblocks. 6 months later than it should've been, but hey ho.

 

[Mr Jinx]

A survey today in the Wail (pinch of salt probably therefore required) says that around 75% of the population want restrictions to continue.

This is the problem when you believe and continually push the doomsday science - eventually the population turns into pantwetters.

 

[elginCity]

Is she an outlier though, really? ……..
Besides, if she does hold a minority view, does that mean she's wrong?

As a co-author of the Barrington Declaration, dismissed by many of the world’s public health experts, including the WHO, as ‘dangerous’ I’d say so.

You could argue the rest of the world is out of step, but some of us have more faith in the majority expert view.

 

[elginCity]

Is the useless Prof Neil Ferguson mainstream Elgy ?

Difficult to model the national take up of mitigating factors like eg mask wearing in advance with such a poor example set by the leadership. Vallance and Gupta were overly optimistic in their forecasts too, no idea why you have such a downer on Ferguson in particular, Al. You’ve certainly been consistent!

 

[Mr Jinx]

As a co-author of the Barrington Declaration, dismissed by many of the world’s public health experts, including the WHO, as ‘dangerous’ I’d say so.

You could argue the rest of the world is out of step, but some of us have more faith in the majority expert view.

But isn't the Barrington Declaration model effectively what ended up happening (just over a longer period than what was actually necessary due to pointless lockdowns in the most recent year)?

You know, vulnerable shielding until vaccinated, then the thing let to rip through?

 

[Alistair20000]

Difficult to model the national take up of mitigating factors like eg mask wearing in advance with such a poor example set by the leadership. Vallance and Gupta were overly optimistic in their forecasts too, no idea why you have such a downer on Ferguson in particular, Al. You’ve certainly been consistent!

Jesus Navas Elgy.

Just look at his abysmal record of failure over two decades.

 

[elginCity]

But isn't the Barrington Declaration model effectively what ended up happening (just over a longer period than what was actually necessary due to pointless lockdowns in the most recent year)?

You know, vulnerable shielding until vaccinated, then the thing let to rip through?

The 'pointless' lockdowns you mention means the Barrington model wasn't followed at that time. Now with a vaccine, different ball game. This government's policy just announced is to let it rip; the vulnerable are better informed now and mostly vaccinated, but are still fearful and many continue to shield.

 

[Mr Jinx]

The 'pointless' lockdowns you mention means the Barrington model wasn't followed at that time. Now with a vaccine, different ball game. This government's policy just announced is to let it rip; the vulnerable are better informed now and mostly vaccinated, but are still fearful and many continue to shield.

No it wasn't followed, but could and should have been from May last year onwards. Restrictions we saw from June onwards accomplished next to nothing apart from cripple the economy further, increase NHS waiting lists, affect people's mental health, etc, etc.

 

[Spanks]

Restrictions we saw from June onwards accomplished next to nothing apart from cripple the economy further, increase NHS waiting lists, affect people's mental health, etc, etc.

Whilst all these things are true, the collapse of the healthcare system (which was close in several trusts pre xmas 2021) would have seen all the things you mention above, far worse than they are today.

 

[DB9]

Whilst all these things are true, the collapse of the healthcare system (which was close in several trusts pre xmas 2021) would have seen all the things you mention above, far worse than they are today.

That is why now we're (Hopefully) coming through this pandemic there has to be a root and branch look at the NHS and make sure in future it is much more prepared for any other nasty thing that comes along, In the mean time we have to recruit and i mean recruit the staff that is needed to provide a dcent service, Whether these staff come from abroad or home the NHS dsperatly needs them and I'm afraid you have to pay them well too, I hope this will be one of the findings in any inquiry we've been promised.