International relations thread

[iscalad]

To some Isca, Probably yes.

I watch a bit of Al Jazeera in the morning.

 

[Phil Sayers]

Apparently a Gaza ceasefire has just been agreed:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787524211155653036

Good news if the reporting is accurate which it seems to be.

 

[angelic upstart]

I suspect the reason for that is that the Qatari government provide a lot of Al Jazeera's funding (in exchange for them abiding by stringent editorial 'guidelines' no doubt) and Israel is rather unhappy that Doha hosts Hamas's senior leadership.

You could say that almost almost any media. It doesn't make it okay.

 

[Phil Sayers]

Apparently a Gaza ceasefire has just been agreed:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787524211155653036

Good news if the reporting is accurate which it seems to be.

Unfortunately, it seems this may be a game being played by Hamas because Israeli officials are claiming that the deal that Hamas have just announced they have agreed to is not the same deal that Israel previously announced they accepted. In other words it has been unilaterally amended by Hamas and Hamas have rushed to announce that their amended version is 'agreed'. The Israeli officials have not said that Israel won't accept the Hamas alterations; just that they need time to study them before commenting further.

 

[lamrobhero]

Unfortunately, it seems this may be a game being played by Hamas because Israeli officials are claiming that the deal that Hamas have just announced they have agreed to is not the same deal that Israel previously announced they accepted. In other words it has been unilaterally amended by Hamas and Hamas have rushed to announce that their amended version is 'agreed'. The Israeli officials have not said that Israel won't accept the Hamas alterations; just that they need time to study them before commenting further.

BBC reporting suggests that the Israelis were blindsided by Hamas acceptance. ..."Bowen: Tough choices for Netanyahu after Hamas upends expectations" ...
You represent this (qualified by "seems" and "may") as "a game being played by Hamas". Not a game being played by the State of Israel ?

 

[cannockred]

It's a game being played by hamas.

They are the ones whose Palestinian homeland is being obliterated by israel, why would israel need to agree to anything other than that which goes a long way to achieve their stated aims.

After agreeing their peace deal rockets were fired into israel from Gaza, admittedly not by hamas.

Hardly a sign of peace.

ed. Written again in English

 

[Phil Sayers]

BBC reporting suggests that the Israelis were blindsided by Hamas acceptance. ..."Bowen: Tough choices for Netanyahu after Hamas upends expectations" ...
You represent this (qualified by "seems" and "may") as "a game being played by Hamas". Not a game being played by the State of Israel ?

The original Hamas statement last night implied that the terms of a ceasefire had been agreed and indeed that statement then prompted celebrations in Gaza by people believing that a ceasefire had been agreed. It then rapidly materialised that Hamas did not mean that they had agreed to the proposal that Israel had already agreed to but instead that proposal with various modifications that Israel had not agreed to. Hard to say whether Hamas were deliberately being disingenuous but the basic point is that their initial statement prompted premature celebrations by people believing that a truce had been agreed when one hadn't been agreed.

 

[lamrobhero]

I guess the State of Israel engages in diplomacy whilst Hamas "plays games" maybe.

 

[Mr Jinx]

Hard to say whether Hamas were deliberately being disingenuous

That had me laughing out loud. Needed a bit of light hearted relief, so cheers pal!

 

[Phil Sayers]

Deeper and deeper:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788498890590753067

Two (spectacularly) for the price of one:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788485329831264476

Just two of a great, great many (well over half of the total tanks Russia had in service when the war started):

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788325050531086727

As DB9 says above though, the enormous and continual destruction of Russian military equipment is not preventing Russia from continuing to creep forwards by hurling cannon-fodder at Ukraine's defences again and again. They have lost much of their armour and so just switched to attacking on motorbikes and in dune buggies supplied by China.