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arthur

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An interesting explanation here of the roots and causes of the UK's poor economic performance and the low investment/low productivity spiral that still endures. Somehow we never got to grips with modern capitalism because we didn't need to, as cheap imports from the Empire were all we needed to maintain a competitive edge. Mediocrity was maintained via a pact between mediocre managers and mediocre trades unions which ensured nothing much changed. "I'm alright Jack" was indeed a documentary rather than a work of fiction... As the rotten system was crumbling, Thatcher pushed it over and finished off. Neither she, nor anyone since, has replaced it with anything remotely sustainable.

Alistair will,no doubt, dismiss this as meaningless waffle, while at the same time promising to respond with alternative proposals and analysis. A promise, given his track record, he will be in no hurry to keep :)

Labour leader Ramsay MacDonald and his chancellor, Philip Snowden, in power in the summer of 1931, had no doubts. The party’s mission was to return capitalism to its 19th-century glories by following the tried and tested policies of laissez-faire, only this time determined to ensure that, when recovery was established, the working class gradually got a much fairer share of the spoils. There was to be no fundamental reshaping of the economy.

At the Ottawa Imperial Economic Conference in 1932, an imperial preference system was launched. Britain set an average import tariff of 14.7% on all manufactured goods, with concessions for imports from the empire, which limited imports dramatically and lifted profits spectacularly. The system lasted until we joined the Common Market in the early 1970s, with the late, distinguished economic historian Prof Nicholas Crafts calculating the average tariff on manufacturing imports was still 14.5% in 1960, and only fell slightly over the next decade. Baby boomers grew up in the long shadow of empire.

Add to this tariff wall the adoption of Keynesian economics, with the government stimulating demand, and great prosperity ensued: unemployment averaged 2% in the 1950s. Sales of cars, TVs and white goods flourished. Profits were more than twice those in Germany, according to Crafts. But that led to a cluster of problems. British firms, accustomed to few overseas competitors penetrating the tariff wall, had gone on a rampage of price-fixing agreements to keep profits high. Overseas producers found they could undercut these rigged prices and still be very profitable; imports steadily rose.

Britain’s more than 1,000 trade unions could organise closed shops, abandon wage agreements at will and protect outmoded working practices without challenge: firms were so profitable they could live with the results. Shareholders were disengaged and greedy for high dividends, which firms could easily afford to pay. Banks did not have to lend to business: it could finance itself. Empire had conferred an easy option, but a rotten economic structure that generated low investment, inflation and low productivity.


 

Mr Jinx

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Reform now polling level with the Tories in Wales (at 18%).
 

arthur

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Reform now polling level with the Tories in Wales (at 18%).
The English retired forming the bulk of this I imagine.....
 

Alistair20000

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An interesting explanation here of the roots and causes of the UK's poor economic performance and the low investment/low productivity spiral that still endures. Somehow we never got to grips with modern capitalism because we didn't need to, as cheap imports from the Empire were all we needed to maintain a competitive edge. Mediocrity was maintained via a pact between mediocre managers and mediocre trades unions which ensured nothing much changed. "I'm alright Jack" was indeed a documentary rather than a work of fiction... As the rotten system was crumbling, Thatcher pushed it over and finished off. Neither she, nor anyone since, has replaced it with anything remotely sustainable.

Alistair will,no doubt, dismiss this as meaningless waffle, while at the same time promising to respond with alternative proposals and analysis. A promise, given his track record, he will be in no hurry to keep :)

Labour leader Ramsay MacDonald and his chancellor, Philip Snowden, in power in the summer of 1931, had no doubts. The party’s mission was to return capitalism to its 19th-century glories by following the tried and tested policies of laissez-faire, only this time determined to ensure that, when recovery was established, the working class gradually got a much fairer share of the spoils. There was to be no fundamental reshaping of the economy.

At the Ottawa Imperial Economic Conference in 1932, an imperial preference system was launched. Britain set an average import tariff of 14.7% on all manufactured goods, with concessions for imports from the empire, which limited imports dramatically and lifted profits spectacularly. The system lasted until we joined the Common Market in the early 1970s, with the late, distinguished economic historian Prof Nicholas Crafts calculating the average tariff on manufacturing imports was still 14.5% in 1960, and only fell slightly over the next decade. Baby boomers grew up in the long shadow of empire.

Add to this tariff wall the adoption of Keynesian economics, with the government stimulating demand, and great prosperity ensued: unemployment averaged 2% in the 1950s. Sales of cars, TVs and white goods flourished. Profits were more than twice those in Germany, according to Crafts. But that led to a cluster of problems. British firms, accustomed to few overseas competitors penetrating the tariff wall, had gone on a rampage of price-fixing agreements to keep profits high. Overseas producers found they could undercut these rigged prices and still be very profitable; imports steadily rose.

Britain’s more than 1,000 trade unions could organise closed shops, abandon wage agreements at will and protect outmoded working practices without challenge: firms were so profitable they could live with the results. Shareholders were disengaged and greedy for high dividends, which firms could easily afford to pay. Banks did not have to lend to business: it could finance itself. Empire had conferred an easy option, but a rotten economic structure that generated low investment, inflation and low productivity.


Ah the old fossil Will Hutton who has been wrong about nearly everything most of the time.

My radical economic solutions will not be adopted but I will post them up in due course. The 1980’s delivered good economic growth so the solution lies there not in the tired clapped out ideas of the 50’s 60’s and 70’s
 

arthur

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Ah the old fossil Will Hutton who has been wrong about nearly everything most of the time.

My radical economic solutions will not be adopted but I will post them up in due course. The 1980’s delivered good economic growth so the solution lies there not in the tired clapped out ideas of the 50’s 60’s and 70’s
But what sort of economic growth, that's the whole point? Not economic growth that has driven the levels of investment and productivity that a country like ours requires. That's why the public finances are in such a desperate state and our public services are on their knees.

Hutton explicitly criticises and calls out the "clapped out ideas of the 50s, 60s and 70s" and says they are the reason for our current mess. Did you by any chance read this article before dismissing it? If you did, could you point out the mistakes in it?
 

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Angela Van Den Bogerd currently squirming at the Post Office Enquiry.She’s very sorry apparently.I wonder if any of these shysters will be held to account?
 

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SNP and Greens have ended their political relationship in Scotland so the SNP are going to Govern as a minority Government, Think this might end in tears. It has not been a good 12 months or so for the SNP.
 

tavyred

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Reform now polling level with the Tories in Wales (at 18%).
A level that would mean a couple/few elected reps in the Welsh Assembly if replicated in an election.
 

arthur

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A level that would mean a couple/few elected reps in the Welsh Assembly if replicated in an election.
..like Neil Hamilton you mean? Can't wait :ROFLMAO:
 

Grecian2K

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Reform now polling level with the Tories in Wales (at 18%).
According to this though they seem still to be stagnating in "your" London(istan). :rolleyes:
London mayor poll shows smallest lead yet for Sadiq Khan (msn.com)
Slightly better news for Horrid Hall at the moment though :sick: (although, as poor old Zac found last time out, basing a campaign on disinformation, outright lies and racism doesn't always carry through to the "sanctity of the polling booth")
 
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