UK Lockdown

[Rosencrantz]

Here is a previous worst case scenario issued by Sage back on 29 March. Also includes a best outcome graphs which for some reason doesn't get the same attention.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/897509/S0089_Reasonable_Worst-Case_Planning_Scenario_-_29.03.pdf

I'm sure someone will pick the bones out of it, but the headline figure of 50,000 deaths in the first wave up to September in the worst case scenario seems disturbingly accurate. The better news is that if you compare their table for deaths in the worse case scenario to actual figures, they seem to have underestimated the original spike but we are now below what they forecasted for weekly deaths entering July.

 

[IndoMike]

She looking over you as you write this? seriously though for me during lockdown my good lady has been a total star.

If you have a good woman by your side (during lockdown, of course) it helps so.much.
PS.Yes, she was

 

[IndoMike]

I don't trust GP's either half the time.

Any stomach problem they automatically bung you on acid reflux medications to see if they work. If not they either change the medication or up the dose of the previous one. It would be fantastic if they could actually FIND OUT what the problem is FIRST and then treat it rather than ASSUMING the problem is something and just dishing out pills.

How about finding out if I am actually producing ENOUGH acid instead of the usual TOO MUCH acid? I know people who have been taking Proton Pump Inhibitor medications for years that stop your stomach producing acid (which is not natural anyway!) and it turned out that the problem was either that they produced too little acid or the problem was something else.

Same with mental health. Someone could go into their GP saying that they had low mood and they'd leave with anti depressants when in actual fact their low mood might just be one of those things that can be sorted by a bit of a chat with some counsellor or something and not because of a chemical imbalance in the brain.

If I had problems with my leg i'd probably get sent to the hospital for an x-ray but if I have a problem with my head they just give me pills despite the human brain being a million times more complex than a human leg.

The amount of tablets i have been prescribed over the last 10/12 years and not taken and sorted the problems out myself through research, diet etc is staggering.

It's interesting how many of these lavish conferences for medical professionals are sponsored and paid for by big pharma. A holistic approach is required to medicine IMO only using pills as a last resort. Unfortunately for many GP's the prescribing of medications is always a first resort and this is the problem and they don't like being confronted about it.

Perhaps i have just had too many bad experiences with medical professionals but i don't believe them no questions asked when they tell me something. If it wasn't for google i'd be on about 10 medications a day instead of the 3 i'm on. Doctor's don't like you challenging their 'wisdom' nowadays as they aren't used to it. They like the 'what i say goes' approach which is a recipe for disaster. A GP who listens and is preapred to investigate concerns properly, no matter how much they doubt the patient are the way forward. I do have a GP who is accommodating this way and who doesn't dismiss conditions like M.E etc as psychosomatic which most do, mainly due to lack of understanding about conditions and how to treat them. They'd rather fob you off than admit they don't know and refer you to someone that does.

I would much rather effective existing treatments be sought instead of a vaccine for Covid 19 and used if possible such as the drug dexamethasone whcih is being used now in hospitals to treat the sickest patients rather than a brand new vaccine that just feels far too rushed but i guess we'll have to wait and see.

When we were back in England 1999-2002 two weeks before we came back to Indonesia I had a problem with my tongue. it really hurt and felt like it was cut and swollen. I was sure it was because my tongue was rubbing against a too sharp tooth.
It hurt so much that I couldn't eat so on the Sunday I found an nhs
clinic that was open. The doctor checked it out, put her hand on my shoulder and said "I'm sorry. You have tongue cancer." Those were her exact words. Well, I was a bit surprised by that but more stunned than shocked.
Because I told her I planned to go back to Indonesia within a fortnight she booked me in to see a specialist within 5 days. He checked me out and wanted to book me in again to do a biopsy, but I thought fark that and we came back to Indonesia. i refused to be locked down.
Needless to say I have never had tongue cancer.

 

[Legohead]

When we were back in England 1999-2002 two weeks before we came back to Indonesia I had a problem with my tongue. it really hurt and felt like it was cut and swollen. I was sure it was because my tongue was rubbing against a too sharp tooth.
It hurt so much that I couldn't eat so on the Sunday I found an nhs
clinic that was open. The doctor checked it out, put her hand on my shoulder and said "I'm sorry. You have tongue cancer." Those were her exact words. Well, I was a bit surprised by that but more stunned than shocked.
Because I told her I planned to go back to Indonesia within a fortnight she booked me in to see a specialist within 5 days. He checked me out and wanted to book me in again to do a biopsy, but I thought fark that and we came back to Indonesia.
Needless to say I have never had tongue cancer.

Jeez Mike. That must have been a difficult period? Hope you took legal action against her. I would have done no hesitation.

 

[Sidey's back]

Hope you took legal action against her. I would have done no hesitation.

Tell us all we need to know about you. Plum.

 

[Legohead]

Tell us all we need to know about you. Plum.

Someone tells Mike that he has tongue cancer without any prior tests and you think this is acceptable practice and Mike should have just shrugged it off as one of those things?

It's called accountability or medical negligence in other words.

I have a pre cancerous skin condition that was misdiagnosed for 5 years whilst I whacked on cream after cream to no effect before some bright spark finally identified it. I didn't take legal action on that occasion you'll be pleased to know. Cherry.

 

[Sidey's back]

Someone tells Mike that he has tongue cancer without any prior tests and you think this is acceptable practice and Mike should have just shrugged it off as one of those things?

It's called accountability or medical negligence in other words.

I have a pre cancerous skin condition that was misdiagnosed for 5 years whilst I whacked on cream after cream to no effect before some bright spark finally identified it. I didn't take legal action on that occasion you'll be pleased to know. Cherry.

I'm a 68 year old NHS nurse who's worked her butt off for 42 years trying to treat to patients as best I can and I have to come on here and listen to people like you suggesting legal action. Makes me ill.

 

[Legohead]

I'm a 68 year old NHS nurse who's worked her butt off for 42 years trying to treat to patients as best I can and I have to come on here and listen to people like you suggesting legal action. Makes me ill.

This is irrelevant to the point I was making. The amazing dedication to their patients that nurses show and the hard work and commitment to their vocation I think it amazing. In fact I ranted about the Government not giving nurses a pay rise on another thread as I was so incensed but I guess you didn't read that.

I have been ignored, misdiagnosed, fobbed off and belittled by various medical professionals for various conditions over a number of years and i'm actually quite proud that I have put up with this and turned the other cheek. My GP practice has apologised to me as has the local hospital but you seem to think that just because someone is a health care professional that they are all 100% dedicated and put patients first. Harold Shipman ring a bell?

What makes me ill is medical professionals not listening to patients and i can only speak from my own experience but the amount of issues i've had is ridiculous. At the end of the day these people (GP's / Consultants NOT NURSES ) are paid very well and there is a reason for that. They have a very specific and responsible job and if it's not done properly, as in any job then they must be accountable.

I have no issues with nurses and since you haven't been a GP or a consultant that i know of then your point is not relevant as i am referring to those and not nurses who we all know are the real heroes mostly in the NHS.

So please don't come on here claiming you know all about me when you haven't a clue what i have endured!

 

[Hants_red]

I'm a 68 year old NHS nurse who's worked her butt off for 42 years trying to treat to patients as best I can and I have to come on here and listen to people like you suggesting legal action. Makes me ill.

Money that the NHS should be able to use for medical goes to trivial legal cases.

 

[IndoMike]

Jeez Mike. That must have been a difficult period? Hope you took legal action against her. I would have done no hesitation.

I just tried to.put it to the back of my mind and get on with life. I was pretty sure that it was the tooth that was the problem so very surprised that she told me directly it was tongue cancer. I should have gotten the biopsy done but we had already sent stuff back to Indonesia and just had to get back.
The doctor shouldn't have said what she did : she should have said something like "I'm not sure what it is but I'll arrange a check-up with you next week". It was an incredibly bad diagnosis by her.
Nobody is making an.overall criticism of the NHS here, which has performed amazingly bravely during covid19, but their mistakes can also be mentioned